Yes—this pushes the question one level deeper. If God is self-existent, self-sufficient, and perfectly blessed, then sin cannot diminish Him. We cannot steal some portion of His being, reduce His glory, impoverish Him, or deprive Him of something necessary for His happiness.
So what exactly is rebellion rebelling against if God cannot be injured in His being?
I think Scripture’s answer is profound:
The essence of human rebellion is not successfully taking something from God. It is the creature’s attempt to live, judge, possess, and determine good and evil as though God were not God and the creature were not His creature.
The rebellion cannot succeed ontologically.
But it can be willed relationally and morally.
🌳 Eden makes much more sense from this perspective
The serpent says:
Genesis 3:5
“Ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
Adam and Eve cannot actually become self-existent.
They cannot become the source of life.
They cannot cease being creatures.
They cannot make God’s sovereignty disappear.
They cannot make themselves independent of Him.
And yet they can act as though they were independent.
That is the astonishing insanity of sin.
As we discussed before, the serpent doesn’t really need to persuade the creature literally to abolish creaturehood. That is impossible. He only needs to persuade the creature to live as though creaturehood were not true.
So sin contains a lie at its very center:
“I belong to myself.”
Yet Scripture says:
Psalm 100:3
“It is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people.”
That is reality.
Sin says:
“Nevertheless, I will determine myself.”
👑 The issue therefore becomes God’s rightful lordship
God doesn’t command creatures because He needs their service to complete Himself.
Paul explicitly eliminates that possibility:
Acts 17:24–25
“God that made the world and all things therein… neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things.”
And then only a few verses later:
Acts 17:28
“For in him we live, and move, and have our being.”
Put those together and the irony becomes enormous.
The sinner uses life received from God to resist God.
Uses breath received from God to deny God.
Uses intelligence received from God to construct arguments against God.
Uses will received from God to choose independence from God.
Uses creation received from God as though it belonged independently to himself.
It is almost like someone standing on God’s shoulders in order to announce:
“I don’t need You.”
Except even that analogy isn’t radical enough, because the person standing on someone’s shoulders possesses some independent existence.
We don’t.
🔥 So does sin affect God at all?
Here we need an important distinction.
Sin does not affect God’s essential being as though He could be damaged, diminished, deprived, corrupted, or made less blessed.
But that does not mean Scripture presents God as indifferent or impersonal.
God truly hates wickedness (Psalm 5:4–6). He is grieved by human sin (Genesis 6:5–6). The Holy Spirit can be grieved (Ephesians 4:30). God judges evil because it genuinely contradicts His holy will.
So divine impassibility or self-sufficiency should never be turned into:
“Nothing matters to God.”
Rather:
Nothing can diminish what God is.
Those are very different statements.
God’s wrath against sin does not arise because the creature successfully wounded God’s divine essence. It arises because the holy God truly opposes evil.
💔 And sin attacks God’s order precisely by harming what He loves
This also helps explain something important.
Suppose I murder another human being.
Have I diminished God’s being?
No.
Have I therefore done nothing against God?
Absolutely not.
That person bears God’s image.
Genesis 9:6
“Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.”
This is why David can say after horrifying sins against human beings:
Psalm 51:4
“Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight.”
David certainly sinned against Bathsheba, Uriah, his family, and Israel. Yet underneath all those horizontal violations lies the ultimate vertical one:
God’s creature has treated God’s world, God’s image-bearers, God’s gifts, and God’s commands as though the creature possessed autonomous authority over them.
That is rebellion against the King even though the King cannot be dethroned.
👑 That gives us a fascinating definition of rebellion
A rebel does not have to be capable of overthrowing the king for his rebellion to be real.
Imagine someone saying:
“But my rebellion failed completely, therefore I never rebelled.”
No. 😄
Failure doesn’t erase intent.
And with God, the rebellion is uniquely absurd because success is metaphysically impossible.
Psalm 2:1–4
“Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?… He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh.”
That word vain is almost perfect here.
The nations genuinely rebel.
God is genuinely opposed.
Judgment genuinely follows.
And yet God’s throne never trembles.
Not once.
Human rebellion is simultaneously morally serious and ontologically futile.
That’s an extraordinary combination.
🪞 Perhaps pride is therefore deeper than wanting “more stuff”
This takes us back to Eden.
The deepest temptation wasn’t merely:
“I want this fruit.”
It was:
“I will determine for myself.”
That is why autonomy is such a useful concept here, provided we define it carefully.
Human beings obviously possess real agency. Scripture treats our choices as meaningful.
But absolute autonomy belongs to God alone.
God alone can say, in the fullest possible sense:
“My existence derives from no one. My being is sustained by no one. My authority comes from no one above Me.”
When the creature tries to occupy that conceptual position, he attempts something impossible.
He wants the prerogatives of the Creator without being the Creator.
And Romans 1 describes precisely this inversion:
Romans 1:21, 25
“When they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful… Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator.”
Notice those two things:
“glorified Him not as God”
and
“were not thankful.”
That second one is fascinating.
Why thankfulness?
Because gratitude acknowledges dependence.
“Thank You” implicitly says:
I received something I did not originate.
And fallen humanity finds that confession intolerable.
🕊️ Which makes worship almost the exact opposite of rebellion
Worship doesn’t add something God lacks.
We sometimes unconsciously imagine worship as though heaven had a glory meter:
God has 99.999999% glory…
I sing three hymns…
100%! 😂
No.
God was infinitely glorious before creation existed.
John 17:5
“Glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
Our worship doesn’t manufacture His glory.
It recognizes His glory.
Our obedience doesn’t make Him Lord.
It recognizes His lordship.
Our dependence doesn’t make Him our Source.
It lives according to the fact that He already is our Source.
Our thanksgiving doesn’t enrich Him.
It acknowledges that we are recipients.
This means holiness is, in a profound sense, living according to reality.
And sin is living according to a lie.
❤️ And suddenly “Abide in Me” becomes even more beautiful
This connects wonderfully with Jesus’ words we’ve discussed:
John 15:4–5
“Abide in me, and I in you… for without me ye can do nothing.”
Jesus isn’t imposing an arbitrary humiliation upon creatures.
He is revealing reality.
The branch doesn’t lose dignity because it depends upon the vine.
Being a dependent branch is what it is.
Its catastrophe begins when it tries to behave as though it possesses life in itself.
Only God has life in Himself (John 5:26).
And so redemption doesn’t finally mean God helping us achieve the independence Adam wanted.
It means God freeing us from the lie that independence was ever life at all.
That is why the gospel’s destination is not:
“At last, I need nothing.”
It is something infinitely happier:
Revelation 21:3
“Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them.”
We finally become completely comfortable being His.
And that brings us to what I think is the crux of your question:
Human rebellion cannot change God’s identity. It attempts to deny God’s identity in the creature’s own life.
It cannot dethrone Him.
It says, “I will not have Him reign over me.” (Luke 19:14)
It cannot stop depending upon Him.
It refuses to acknowledge its dependence.
It cannot cease belonging to Him as Creator.
It tries to live as though it belonged to itself.
It cannot become God.
It attempts to seize Godlike autonomy.
It cannot diminish God’s glory.
It refuses to glorify Him as God (Romans 1:21).
So the tragedy of rebellion isn’t ultimately that man succeeds in taking something God needs.
Man cannot impoverish God.
The tragedy is that, while utterly dependent upon the Source of every good thing, man turns from Him and tries to construct life around the fiction of independence.
And perhaps that makes God’s response in Christ even more astonishing.
The God whom we could never enrich gave Himself to us.
The God who needed nothing from us came looking for us.
The creatures who tried to seize independence are not merely forgiven; they are brought back into communion with the One from whom their life always came.
So salvation ultimately isn’t God recovering something He was missing.
It is God recovering us for our good and His glory. ❤️
And then the creature can finally say without resentment, fear, or the ancient suspicion of Eden:
“I am His.”
Not as the humiliation of creaturehood.
As its fulfillment. 🕊️